By day, Avrom Charach works for a property management company in Winnipeg. But since Oct. 7, the prominent Jewish community leader has been working even longer hours on a one-man clean-up crew, removing hate-fuelled graffiti from the streets of his home city. So far, Charach has wiped away more than 100 messages from a synagogue, community centre, sidewalks, public buildings and even street lamps.
Winnipeg’s police department calls Charach a “community angel” for removing the tags, stickers, posters and slogans himself—for free—sometimes before the city’s own clean-up crews can get to the scene. It’s all happening since hate crimes have hit a historic high in the city after Oct. 7: in 2023, the last year with available figures, there were 46 cases of hate crimes, including 18 against Jews and five against Muslims.
On today’s episode of The CJN Daily, Avrom Charach joins host Ellin Bessner to explain how this act of tikkun olam has made him an unpaid go-to graffiti buster.
What we talked about:
- Watch the Winnipeg Police news conference announcing the arrest in connection with antisemitic graffiti on Jan. 14, 2025.
- Read why Avrom Charach helped his Etz Chayim synagogue move to a bigger building, in the south end of Winnipeg, in 2024, in The CJN.
- More on the historic move from Winnipeg’s North End to the south side, where more Jews live, in The CJN.
Credits
- Host and writer: Ellin Bessner (@ebessner)
- Production team: Zachary Kauffman (producer), Michael Fraiman (executive producer)
- Music: Dov Beck-Levine
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Transcript
Note: Transcripts are AI-generated and may contains typos.
Ellin Bessner: And he joins me now from Winnipeg. Welcome to the CJN Daily.
Avrom Charach: Thank you, Ellin.
Ellin Bessner: It’s good to meet you. Congratulations on the newfound fame that you have for this initiative you’ve started, to clean up hate of all kinds, but mainly anti-Jewish hate in your city. I guess if people don’t know what graffiti is, they sure have seen it since October 7th, all over the world, all over the country, all over everything. Why did you know about graffiti? What’s your background that you’ve had this sort of antenna for graffiti even before this?
Avrom Charach: Well, I guess I’m in property management, and unfortunately, we’ve seen graffiti on our buildings occasionally, once or twice inside our buildings, once or twice antisemitic inside our buildings. The company I work for is Jewish-owned, and all the senior management are Jewish. But I didn’t pay a lot of attention to graffiti until recently. You know, after October 7th, I saw a little bit, and then I guess we can get to how I started the cleanup. But that particular event is what made me, as you say, have my antennae out. I can’t drive without watching for graffiti anymore.
Ellin Bessner: So October 7th happened. Did it explode in terms of the quantity and the, the, I guess, area where you saw this? What changed with graffiti after October 7th in your community?
Avrom Charach: So we didn’t see a lot of graffiti in our community, probably because of winter. We’re seeing a lot less right now as well. Around the beginning of May to the middle of May last year is when we started to see it. Explode is probably a reasonably good word in some ways, in more or less two parts of the city. Mostly very left-wing parts of the city, to say it in some politically correct way.
Ellin Bessner: Like where? Like near the University. Near what?
Avrom Charach: Well, not near the University of Manitoba, not too close to University of Winnipeg, more so in an area in the west end of Winnipeg, they call it. It’s kind of in between downtown and what we call River Heights. But it’s full of the kind of people who like to own hundred-year-old homes and walk around in Birkenstocks, to say it in a sort of way. That’s why I kind of say it’s left-leaning for people who don’t know.
Ellin Bessner: Of course, it’s a very Jewish area.
Avrom Charach: Yes. So we’re talking the most, well, not the most famous piece of graffiti; the one that seems to get out all over is the swastika in the synagogue. That was in a different part of the city. But the “Jews kill babies” is where it all started. It happened three times. Then, two other slogans on the exact same box about a block away from the Shaarey Zedek Synagogue, one of our two major synagogues, just on the other side of the river by Misericordia Hospital. And for some reason, someone loves to put slogans up there. And it all started there. The other part of the city where it seems to be happening most is the market district, as they call it. It’s kind of near the theater district, near City Hall, a place where a lot of people like to hang out at night, where the Fringe Festival is. That’s where I spent. That’s where I got half my graffiti in one night, which was interesting in July. So those are the two main areas. But I’ve been to the far east of the city, the far west of the city, the far south of the city, although one of my friends told me not to bother going to the school he was principal at. He said, “I’ll take care of it.” And he did. And the far north of the city, that. So I’ve been all over.
Ellin Bessner: And are things being targeted that are sort of all in two or three different categories? Like, you would say a wall or a, I don’t know, like a pole, like a hydro pole, or what? Or store windows? Like what? Can you sort of give us your experience?
Avrom Charach: Counter to what I’ve seen from Eastern Canada, stores are not being hit a lot. For some reason, there’s respect for stores here, maybe because a lot of them aren’t publicly and openly Jewish-Israeli-tied. So what you see a lot of is those boxes that they use for hydro or telephone. They make wonderful templates for walls. Some on walls and a lot on signs, a lot on telephone poles, light poles, those kinds of poles. So I’m just, I’m looking at a couple of my samples here that I looked at. So that’s what you see most of, those. The telephone boxes and the light poles. I mean, what we did see during the Fringe Festival, I got a whole bunch of the “P for parking” on meters where they wrote “Palestine” and above it put “free.” That stuff is objectionable to you and I. It’s not necessarily hate graffiti, but I did take a lot of that off while I was taking off things that certainly wouldn’t be characterized as benign by anyone.
Ellin Bessner: So we’ll talk about that in a minute in terms of how you navigate what you take off and what you don’t. But how did you decide that you needed to start doing this? Was it something that someone told you they were offended by, or did it attack your own building?
Avrom Charach: So we have a few WhatsApp groups in Winnipeg that members of the Jewish community tend to be part of. I can’t remember if it was the general discussion or the blue and white. Those are the two most active in Winnipeg. Someone had put up a picture of “Jews kill babies” with two stylized S’s at the end. I think I’ve sent you a picture copy of one of the three times that showed up. It was a Friday, 5 p.m. People were getting all hot under the collar, and we said, “Just report it to the police, someone will take care of it.” And people were like, “I can’t stand it,” blah, blah, blah.
Avrom Charach: So I finally just said, you know what? It was like six at night. Shabbos wasn’t in yet. Although I don’t personally keep Shabbos, I try not to do things tied to the Jewish community that aren’t religious on Shabbos. So I said, you know what? I’m going to get a friend of mine to bring some of the equipment from my office over, and we’ll clean it off. Whoever wants to come join me can come join me. So my friend came, also Jewish, one of the senior managers here with some spray paint remover, and we had some other things that we used. And he
Avrom Charach: And I, along with a couple of other people who showed up, just took off that one. And of course, what then happened? So really, it was just. I fell into it because I didn’t want people to feel bad over Shabbos. I said, I’ll take care of it. You can sleep better tonight. And then before you knew it, there were, you know, tags to Avrom on all the groups and emails coming my way. I even received phone calls. I’ll tell you about my favorite, least favorite one, because that’s the image that everybody keeps seeing from in the media in a bit. Tell us now, what was that? So again,
Avrom Charach: a Friday evening, I’m driving home a little early from work because it happens to be my anniversary. So I’m going out for dinner with my wife, and we’re taking the kids and their boyfriends for dinner with us. And I get a call from the executive director of the Jewish Federation. “Hi, Avrom. We got a call from a non-Jewish person who was driving by the Ashkenazi shul.” It’s the oldest synagogue in Winnipeg. It’s in North Winnipeg. It’s not used a lot. Stately building. Love the inside. Feels like you’re in Europe in the
Avrom Charach: 1800s. And there was a swastika on the wall, and one on the ground right below it. He said, “Can you take care of that?” I said, “You know what, I’ll take care of it this weekend. I’ll see if I can get to it. I got to go for dinner first.” So we’re at dinner, and it’s bothering me a little bit because it’s a shul and Shabbos is coming.
And so, I said to my wife and the kids, if you don’t mind, right after dinner, I’m going to go. If anyone wants to come with me, my wife came with me. I’m just going to get rid of that swastika. So my wife and I went after dinner.
Avrom Charach: We went for ice cream after we took a swastika off of a shul on Erev Shabbos. And you heard this in the interviews I’ve done with other people. I’m not doing this to get known. As a matter of fact, your producer contacted me. I’m like, I’m not sure I want to do any more of this. He told me that your listeners might feel more comfortable. Because this is the Canadian Jewish News, how can I not make other Jews feel comfortable? I was doing it to get rid of the hate, not for notoriety. No 15 minutes of fame, although apparently I’m getting it.
Avrom Charach: But that was my favorite one because I felt good knowing that the next morning, if anyone went to Ashkenazi, they wouldn’t see a swastika. And that’s why I do it. It does make me feel better after I remove it. It makes me feel annoyed every time I hear about more, but that makes me feel better.
Ellin Bessner: When you say remove it, can you walk me through, Avrom? Like the technical things. Do you use a big hose with compressed water that you spray like a jet, or does the company that?
Avrom Charach: Like that. I’m not sure I can convince our owner to buy it. I saw this beautiful laser remover that costs about $15,000 or $20,000 Canadian. We don’t have enough graffiti on our properties to make it worth buying that. So we just have a spray that we pick up from a local janitorial supply, now owned by First Generation. It was a survivor who opened that company, so we’ve been dealing with them. Why not? I use the spray, sometimes add a little more water, sometimes use the old Magic Eraser, sometimes a wire brush.
So you spray the surface. Brick is really hard. The Ashkenazi shul was not so easy to do compared to some of these hydro boxes. You spray it on and sometimes the stuff just comes off like with a paper towel. You can wipe it off on certain things. Some of the new devices hydronic people are putting up are meant to be graffiti-resistant. Otherwise, you sometimes sit there with a wire brush and scrub, let it sit for a few minutes, and wipe it down with a paper towel, then go back again until you get rid of it.
This is what happened with the story that made you find me. I ended up going back because at minus 10 and snowing, I was having no luck. And when the CBC contacted me, I said let’s go later this week when it’s supposed to be minus two; it’ll work better. I finally got rid of what I started trying to take off in December.
Ellin Bessner: Do you have to wear a mask and gloves because it’s dangerous to spray with the chemicals and what have you?
Avrom Charach: I probably should, but I don’t. I’m doing it outside, and I’m not inhaling too many fumes. Like nail polish remover, it has a smell. The funny thing was I alluded to the Fringe Festival, and I’m sure your listeners know what a Fringe Festival is. Lisa Lewis, and I’m shouting her out because she’s indigenous, non-Jewish, and one of the biggest supporters of our community, sent me pictures of five or six tags she saw in the Market District right around Fringe Festival time. On a Thursday. Was it a Thursday? No, whatever day it was.
I just know that weekend I went to the Fringe and removed them. She sent me these images, and I said thank you, Lisa, I’ll go try to take care of them. I went there, and literally three hours of walking in a circle. I’m not sure how many kilometers, but I went from, for those who are familiar with Winnipeg, from Main Street to Donald area, not Sherbrooke, which is a whole other area. And from William to Notre Dame, it’s about a six-block radius. Every street up and down it with a friend of mine who came that evening. We had a nice dinner at the Fringe Festival.
Over three hours, the only negative comment I received while cleaning spray paint or graffiti off was right in front of a Fringe venue when I wasn’t far from the ticket takers who said, oh, that smells terrible. I said, I’m sorry. They said, no, no, we don’t mind. That was about as negative as I’ve gotten, thank God. I’ve gone around, although I almost never go out by myself. I always want someone watching my back, especially depending on what part of town and time of day. I try not to do it after night. I’ve had non-Jewish friends join me as well. And again, I just do this because it’s got to get done, not to be on the CJN podcast.
Ellin Bessner: Understood. Let me ask you about how you navigate because you told us earlier about the parking devices, the meters, where someone made the P into Palestine. I mean, we talk about one man’s treasure is another man’s garbage. So taking it from the non-Jewish point of view, or even people who might be pro-two-state solution Palestine, which many people are, how does that sit with you when you take stuff down? Is there a sort of grid that you say, okay, this is good, I’ll leave it. This is hate, I have to take it off even if the other side wouldn’t like it too much?
Avrom Charach: So, yeah, in my mind, and no one’s perfect, but I think about what 90% of my community would find offensive. Offense might be the wrong word, but certainly not appreciated. Over 90% of our community—and I’m picking that number carefully—would find Free Palestine offensive, given the context. I hate that word on some days, but it’s used every time you see that. It often comes along with a map of what they call Palestine, our cousins, as we like to call them, which is the entire contiguous Israel. So I look at that as being inappropriate.
I’ve taken off Free Palestine from Hamas when people have written it below as well, even though I chuckle at that one. But I take the whole thing off because I’m trying not to set a double standard. And the 90% is because 90 to 95% of Jewish people typically support Israel dealing with certain issues right now, whether or not they support exactly how Israel’s doing it. And we’re not going to get into politics today. In an ideal world, I’d love there to be a separate Palestinian state, but I don’t think the ideal world exists, so we’ll keep away from that for the moment.
There are certainly things that cross the board no matter what. So when we talk about other graffiti I’ve removed, it’s typically things that are negative about some other ethnic communities or groups. Right along with the Free Palestine was another F word with an Indigenous title on it, certainly offensive. Although right below it was also Free Native Reserves. I took the whole thing off. It was on one pillar outside a building in the Market District. That was actually during the Fringe Festival. I’ve taken off things about other, without getting into details, Indigenous groups or racial entities. I took off one right near City Hall. It talked about Winnipeg, which I figured might defend our people in blue, who, at least in Winnipeg, have been working really well with us. One or two of them were not nice things about people of certain genders and their promiscuity, for the sake of argument, to stay clean here.
But, yeah, primarily anti-Jewish or anti-Zionist, which some people would claim is not anti-Jewish.
Ellin Bessner: So let’s take a quick pause. You said that you watch your back. How is your work being received by the people who put it up? And I’m saying Neo Nazis too. There are Neo Nazis there who are, right, doing this.
Avrom Charach: There may be. We’ll get to the Neo Nazis in a moment. That’s how everybody found out about me. Well, they found out about me in two ways. There was something in the Winnipeg Sun, which a lot of people didn’t follow, and that was because I was outed by another property manager, a Jewish one, and they wanted to do an article, so I let them.
I have not heard or seen any negative feedback towards me anywhere. I’m not, again, a huge social media user, but I have a lot of friends. As an example, I’m not sure if I sent you the article. I’m looking at it on my screen about one of the high schools where they had an “F Jews” with a swastika in a bathroom. That got to me because someone else saw it.
I called up that school and said, would you like me to come? Oh, no, we’ll take care, and they did take care of that. That obviously is offensive to many people, you know.
Ellin Bessner: Hang on a second, hang on. Somebody’s talking. I hear it. Who is that?
Avrom Charach: Oh, the guy next to me.
Ellin Bessner: We can’t. We can’t. We have to wait.
Avrom Charach: No worries. I thought about doing this upstairs. It would have been quieter.
Ellin Bessner: We were fine. I only have a few more minutes to go and then we’re good.
Avrom Charach: No worries.
Ellin Bessner: A call. I can’t take it out. Is he finished or for. Can you ask him?
Avrom Charach: Yeah, he’s done.
Ellin Bessner: Okay. Sorry. Okay. So you navigate taking off Jewish and other offensive things. Tell me about the swastikas, because nobody’s going to say anything to you about taking off the swastikas, whereas they might be upset about removing Free Palestine stuff. So is there a serious problem in Winnipeg with these swastika people putting that up, as far as you know?
Avrom Charach: Maybe. Not that I don’t want to answer your question, but let me go back one step and then return to swastikas. A perfect example would be “Jews kill babies.” That came up three times. Then you had “Jews pass for human” in the same place and “Are Jews human?” The last thing I had seen, although last week I drove by again and it was completely innocuous graffiti, was “Can’t people voice their opinion anymore?”
I left that one up. I thought it was hilarious. I’m like, I’ll leave that up forever. That was gone. I always say, “Kilroy was here” was there. For those people who understand World War II era, I had to explain that to the CBC guy. He’s too young.
So that kind of stuff I leave up because it’s not worth it. I’m not paid to take off graffiti, and it’s not really offensive. However, there are certain gang tags. Well, any tag that goes on any property we own comes off within 24 hours as much as possible. I’m not responsible for doing it; I’m the finance guy, but I’ve done it. So back to the swastikas.
The only swastika I had seen publicly was the one on the shul. Then in October, there were a couple of swastikas in an area called Charleswood. It’s in West Winnipeg; it wasn’t a Jewish area, but a lot of immigrants from South America ended up living in Charleswood. I heard about it and went to take it off from a community center, and by the time I got there, it was off.
I heard about some more a couple of weeks later, and I went and took it off and noticed the letters “mky.” I scratched my head a bit, didn’t know what it was. Then towards November, I was thinking about it some more.
There was more with “mky.” That’s where this all got hot and heavy, if you want to call it that. At that point, I reached out, and one of my non-Jewish friends said to me, “I think they’re associated with Maniac Murder Cult,” which is a wonderful name for an Eastern European neo-Nazi group. Recently, the head of one of the Eastern European parts was arrested in New York City for conspiring to kill Jews and anyone else he didn’t like.
I had taken off three or four of them in November and was having trouble; it was around Remembrance Day because I was driving and saw them everywhere. I called up one of my friends in the police department. One of the other volunteer things I do is help with community safety, so I do know a few people in the police department and said, “I think there’s a problem here. I think it’s the Maniac Murder Cult.”
They started investigating. It went a little further, and then I started getting some feedback from other angles. When they got hit again in December at that community center, the non-Jewish president of the community center was very upset that this anti-Semitism was in his community. Power to him for thinking it was only anti-Semitism. But I called up CBC when they had the story and said to one of the people I knew there, or I left him a voicemail, “This isn’t just anti-Semitism. This could be hate of everyone who’s not basically a white cisgender male.”
They said, “Tell me more.” That’s how I’m here today. They did arrest one 19-year-old individual. The police have not publicly, nor have I asked them privately—not that they would necessarily tell me—if this is indicative of the Maniac Murder Cult actually getting a footing in Winnipeg, or if this is some poor, disturbed youth who thought he’d get their attention because he wanted to get some attention or wanted them to come to Winnipeg.
Ellin Bessner: Or was radicalizing.
Avrom Charach: Yeah, or was radicalizing. Certainly, I’m concerned, and really my whole modus operandi for telling the media—and I do have some contacts because I act as spokesperson for my industry—was when the media started putting out information that was only half correct, I wanted them to just correct it. That suddenly turned around into, “Can we do a story about you?” Like with you, I said, “The story is not me. The story is the Maniac Murder Cult graffiti.”
They said, “But we really want to do a positive news story.” I said, “What will it be?” They said, “One person taking away hate.” I said, “Done, let’s talk about taking away hate.” Unfortunately, this has turned me into a minor celebrity. I’m not trying to be disingenuous. I don’t need celebrity status; I just need the hate gone.
Ellin Bessner: In Montreal in 2021, there was a guy, I don’t know if you’re aware, he used to do this. The Bag Street shule got hit. So he would take his big, compressing water compressor and go and take it off. He was doing what you were doing. He wore a kind of a security black Kevlar vest, bald guy. He had an Instagram presence. And he would go, really within like a couple of hours, it would be gone.
He became quite well-known on the Internet about doing this. I wondered if you are in touch with people like that or did he inspire you. Have you ever heard about other people besides?
Avrom Charach: No, I’m happy to hear about what you’re doing. I haven’t really paid attention to other people. Again, I was just quietly doing this to get rid of it.
Now I’ve actually had a minor thought towards turning this into something a little more formal instead of just my company supplying me with the expensive part of it and me supplying the labor. Because I’ve had so many people. I was at a Jets game a week or two ago, and someone handed me their business card and said, do you recognize me? I said, not really. We were on a flight together from Cancun a few years ago. Can I help you take graffiti off? And, you know, I’m getting it that way. And I’m thinking, you know, because, you.
Ellin Bessner: You know, I wondered if you can explain to our listeners, being from the property management field, who’s supposed to do this? If it’s on city property versus private property, it’s illegal, right? It’s like vandalism or whatever.
Avrom Charach: Isn’t it legal? Yeah, graffiti is illegal. There is a graffiti removal team, I think they call them, or something in Winnipeg, which interestingly enough, is usually youth who are doing community service hours, who City Hall would run that. Yeah, they can’t keep up. They will do that on city property, and they might do it on private property if they have the time and the resources. Typically, we hire a pressure wash company if we can’t get it off ourselves, and they come within a day. But it is the property owner’s responsibility.
Ironically, I got an email from the owner of this really large property management company about an inappropriate piece of graffiti on one of his buildings that he manages on Christmas Day. I said, you know, I happen to be going to a friend’s house for dinner, and I went and I stopped by there and took it off. So I was kind of laughing. It’s like their budget’s 20 times mine, and they’ve got me working for them for free. But that wasn’t the point. You know what? It was a Star of David and something about money bags. So it was really just one of the Jewish tropes of the Jews controlling the money. It wasn’t as negative unless you read into the trope and understand it.
Ellin Bessner: Normalize that now. That’s like, at least we understand what that is. There’s a lot worse now facing our community around the world, which is actually really sad. But go back to your collection. So you did a hundred when the last news article came out. How many have you done now, or are you not keeping track?
Avrom Charach: You know, I’ve only done a couple since then. It’s minus 25 most of the time here. The taggers aren’t out. My chemical doesn’t work very well. The spray that I use, it is above zero this week.
Ellin Bessner: And.
Avrom Charach: There was one that I was told about near a major corporation down Osborne Street. I was actually thinking on my way to the shul; I have a board meeting at the synagogue tonight that I might stop by and take that tag off the light pole because it’s above zero. So not a lot in the winter. But unfortunately, I have a feeling that come April, I’ll be busy again and running around on Sunday afternoons and Thursday nights and five in the morning on my way to work—those I do myself on my way to work.
Ellin Bessner: I’m hoping that won’t happen quickly. Do you know who’s doing it? Is there any intelligence or something that identifies who’s doing it? Because some of the handwriting maybe you notice is the same, or the design is the same. Do the police know the people specifically? And have you ever met any of them or seen them?
Avrom Charach: No. I mean, I can only have a supposition that the same people who are out every Saturday afternoon screaming about genocide are the people who are doing some of this graffiti. But I can’t tell you for sure. I know by the Misericordia Hospital, we did ask, do you have any cameras aiming in that particular location? Because you’d find me every few days wiping off what someone else put on, and they didn’t, just because of where it’s located. For them, it’s not a strategic location to place. Kind of like, I get calls all the time asking, do you have a picture of my accident? And I’m like, my cameras don’t reach to the other side of Main Street. They only reach in front of my building for my office.
I feel bad about those because I’d like to help people out that way. But aside from the privacy problems that you could have with that, it’s not my job to watch the whole city as a property manager. But no, we don’t know for sure who’s doing it. I really think it’s some of the people who are pro-Palestinian, obviously, but in the West End there, I really think it’s just pure anti-Semitism because they’re not doing stuff about Palestine, they’re doing stuff about Jews. And unfortunately, as you said, it’s become normalized at this point. I’m like, that’s not so bad when it really is. But in my mind, as you say, I’ve seen worse.
Ellin Bessner: You know, that’s so sad that that’s where we’re at now.
Avrom Charach: And it’s funny. Not funny funny, but I went to Toronto. My niece got married. Mixed marriage. It so happened to be on a Saturday. My wife and I are in a hotel, and I figured I should have brought my spray because I was near U of T, and I was seeing tons of it.
Ellin Bessner: Yeah, it’s everywhere. And I mean, Winnipeg is a microcosm of what we in the bigger cities are seeing. But I mean, it’s everywhere. Do you take stickers off too, or just the actual graffiti? That’s a paint or a marker or whatever.
Avrom Charach: There are stickers about genocide, there are stickers about Palestine. I’ve taken them off. There are some large posters, some of them with really nasty tropes on them, like, you know, the rat with the Star of David. Where possible, I try to remove those, but some of those have been glued on with so much glue it’s impossible. And I just refuse to. At one time, I did have a can of spray paint with me in case I wanted to spray over something. I’ve just decided I refuse to add spray paint because that is adding negativity. So if I can take away the negative and leave a blank space, that’s fine, but I just refuse to add to the negativity in any way, even by spray painting over it.
Ellin Bessner: Okay. And you find that some people have already taken care of it, you mentioned. So we’ll end on that. What are some of the creative things that you like that people have done to turn a swastika into something else, for example, before you?
Avrom Charach: Someone turned some into flowers. In Winnipeg, we’ve had the from Hamas stuff. We’ve had stuff that’s not necessarily overly creative, but where they just take a black marker and take away the word Jews or the word Zionists. I haven’t seen a ton of creativity, but I did really love the person who took some negative stuff and turned it into flowers. It was gorgeous. I did see someone sent me that from Europe. There’s an artist who goes around and does that as a job.
Ellin Bessner: Well, like you said, this might be a whole new career, sadly. Have the police or anybody ever told you to stop because you’re going to get in trouble?
Avrom Charach: No, far from it. They don’t mind, and they know me. I’m known to police, but not in a bad way. Again, through my community service. Actually, before I took off that very first “Jews Kill Babies,” on the way there, I had a friend of mine call someone, because I didn’t have their number. Ironically, they’re in charge of snow clearing for the City of Winnipeg, amongst other things. They’re from Israel, so called them up and said, anything wrong? And they said, if you get into trouble, just tell them my name and that I approved it. So I’ve spoken to them since then, and I now have their contact, and basically, they said, anything you do on the City of Winnipeg, I trust you, you’ll be fine.
But if anyone says anything bad, tell them this manager from the city of Winnipeg gave you approval. Absolutely. Protects you from a. From an Israeli. Even better.
Ellin Bessner: Even better. Listen, Kola Kavod, I’m sure that if people want to get in touch with you, they know how. But there is a way to reach you. There’s a WhatsApp number, which I’m sure if someone wants to know, we’ll ask our listeners, and we can email you and give you their contacts. Right.
Avrom Charach: But by all means, I don’t have a separate WhatsApp to my cell phone, so. But I’m on all the news, all the Jewish-related Winnipeg groups, and someone just added me to something called Spark Today, which apparently is national, so I’m probably going to see that one. And I’ve actually tied myself in a bit with End Jewish Hatred because that’s what I’m trying to… you know, we’re all trying to do that, but that’s what I’m trying to do here.
Ellin Bessner: It’s been an honor to chat with you. Thank you so, so much for being with us on the CJN Daily.
Avrom Charach: Thank you very much, Ellin. Take care.
Ellin Bessner: I wish that you go out of business.
Avrom Charach: Actually, I’d love nothing better than to go out of business 100%.